New Camera
I'm planning to get a new camera for this Christmas, and this time I'd like it to be slightly more pro-ish than my current HP. The plan is to be able to do some more serious photography while still being able to use it as my vacation camera.
My current idea is the Canon EOS 400D - but it seems to be lacking vibration compensation.
I can get it for around 830 EUR including the EF-S 18-55mm lens, a 1GB memory card (SanDisk Ultra II) and a camera bag. Does any of you photographers know a better buy in the range 800-900 EUR? Mail me at e8johan, I use gmail, or just comment this post.
posted by Johan Thelin @ 20:08
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19 Comments:
Have you looked at the Sony alpha a100? It has anti-shake built into the camera, has a whole range of lenses and accessories, and you can use all of the Minolta Maxxum/Dynax lenses in the used market (some very nice, reasonable lenses). It was also chosen as Camera of the Year by Popular Photography magazine. It's an awesome camera.
Get the 17-85 IS lens instead. That has anti-shake built in. Very nice versatile lens too.
chowells
Anti shake, what for? Seriously, this feature is over hyped. Oh and for Canon, they put that in IS lenses, not in the body.
Both Canon and Nikon put motion compensation in their lenses (only certain zoom lenses, where it is usefull.). The 400d is a great camera though you should get a better lens (i opted for a nikon d80). also look at a pentax K110. See dpreview.com for better info on all of these.
Take the Canon EOS 400D. It is a great camera, works faster than an analog single lense camera, makes a lot of fun while playing with diagraph, exposure time and sensitivy and takes good pictures.
Consider to buy 2GB Flash instead of 1GB.
Take the Canon EOS 400D. It is a great camera, works faster than an analog single lense camera, makes a lot of fun while playing with diagraph, exposure time and sensitivy and takes good pictures.
Consider to buy 2GB Flash instead of 1GB.
I can't comment on alternatives, but I've just bought the Canon EOS 400D package.
So far, I'm very impressed especially with the control it gives, the turn-on time and speed of burst modes. It's far too early to say much about image quality, except to say its pretty good so far.
However, there's no support for this camera in Digikam or any other Linux app to date. The 350D is there though, so I suppose it's only a matter of time.
The new Pentax K10D is out now in the States and hopefully in Europe soon. It has shake reduction in three axis (handles roll of the body, not just x/y shake), a body sealed to keep dust out, in-camera raw processing, and many other nice features. First impressions of the camera can be found here
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/forum.asp?forum=1036
Darryl
Hi,
friend of mine bought a 400D with kit lens recently. He has been very happy with a camera body, but not at all with kit lens, because most of the time they were unable to give sharp pictures.
It has been known before, that it's reasonable to buy body only and add Canon 50mm fix lens. Costs the same, but has much better quality.
Hi!
While the 400D is really a good cam I have one very good argument why you should *not* buy it: The size!
I used the Nikon D70s a lot in the last couple of weeks and compared the body-size to the 350D (~same size as the 400D) and the 400D is way to small for my hands. So do yourself a favour and (re)test the cams with that in mind.
Other than that there is a good argument for Pentax-cams: The EBay-market is good for them, you can get good lenses on EBay.
So with your budget I would go for the D70s or one of the two new Pentax-dSLRs.
I have the Canon 20D and I'm soon going to get the 400D for something smaller - if you want a cheap SLR, then yes, yes, yes, *go* for it. It's a fantastic camera. You'll probably want to soon upgrade from the stock lens to something with IS (image stabiliser) though =)
Canons IS technology is part of the lens system and superior to the CCD stabilizing technology (so far). Of course this leads to higher costs as you have to buy the IS-System for every single lens. But you have to check for what kind of photos do you really need the f-stop gain when using the IS.
If you buy a DSLR do not underestimate follow-up costs. Caused by the Crop factor you need a good quality lens - and Canons Kit lenses are "semi good" ;-).
Oh, and do not expect better photos for ordinary motives. The real advantage of a DLSR is that you have a flexible camera system.
I do not know this exactly but the 400D should work as generic PTP device with ghoto2, digikam and co.
Bye
Thorsten (20D user ;-)
Things to look out for:
# The size: This was one of the reasons why I bought a Nikon D80. Holding the D80 is so much nicer. Of course you might have small hands which means this might not be as big a deal for you.
# The Kit lens: As others have said, the 400d kit lens is not very good. The kit lens for the D80 is better. In general though, You get what you pay for in regards to lenses so spending a bit more on a good lens is a good idea.
# Vibration technology: Nikon puts this on the lenses (look for VR lenses). It is far from neccessary on all lenses AFAIK.
# Size of flash card: Go for a 2GB! I got a 2GB card and I wouldn't mind a 4GB card! With a 10MP DSLR you fill up a card *very fast*.
Another reason why I bought the D80 is because I think it is easier to use. The layout (of buttons, etc.) is better from my experience. I've played a bit with both the 350d and the 400d and I think it is a confusing mess compared to the D80. I'm not saying that because I own a D80, I thought that before I owned a DSLR.
Only negative thing is that the D80 is more expensive. Surprisingly I think it is worth the extra money ;)
Both the 400d and the D80 are great cameras so you won't go wrong with either of them :)
Thanks for all the tips. When departing from the 400D I find the Nikon D40 (with a 18-55mm lens) and a D70S (with a 18-70mm lens). The D80 is kind of out of the range that I had in mind - even if it is tempting.
When comparing the D40 and the D70S the differences are very minor but the price diff is almost 200 EUR. Is the lens so much better - or what justifies the difference?
The products I'm thinking of are http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/kcp.asp?sku=328636&sku=309187&sku=328636&sku=324382&sku=309187 . (In Swedish here: http://www.komplett.se/k/kcp.asp?sku=328636&sku=309187&sku=328636&sku=324382&sku=309187 )
The D40 is a new low end DSLR (comes out this month) D70s has been replaced by the D80 So price wise(While you can still find them)D70s should be a good deal.
Look, All of these cameras are very good and each has an edge/ability over the other. Outside of Brand Loyalty, or not having any other lenses (nikon, canon etc. with their diff. mounts) I offer this..
Go in to a photo store and have the person set them in front of you and pick them up and play. See if on feels more natural to YOU. Feels right to YOU. and then choose.
I went through this 2 weeks ago. I was set on the 400d. I have a canon G6, CF cards and small hands. I liked the easy menu system. After picking up the D80, I looked for every reason not to choose it. But to me it FELT Right. To me the Canon was like a P&S with DSLR ability. The Nikon WAS a DSLR with all the buttons of an slr right where they should be. Damn, I thought i was a Canon guy!?
Well, thats me.
Oh,the Nikon kit lens is very good. If you go with Canon, get the 17-85 IS lens as the other annon. guy said.
I've ordered a canon eos for my wife for christmas...US prices are much cheaper...got a friend in NY to buy it for 700us which is €540...
How do you handle the warranty and service issues? Do you get a European charger and such here?
I have a D70s and has been very happy with it. The kit lens that comes with it (18-70mm) is wellbuilt and versatile, and in my view superior to current kit lens for the Canon 400D.
As far as I can tell the 400D is also nice camera (and it's good value for money since Canon is pushing so hard at the moment), but you should really think about getting a better lens..
(I'm the 7:34pm guy)
Warranties..Hmmmm..
Mine was for US market(where i am) the warranty slip has 2 parts;1 year +4 year extended US, and 1 year World wide (this is for the lens BTW). The camera was done online.
Many US sellers (adorama etc.)have 'Gray market' goods i.e. ment for world market not US therefor no US warranty and cheaper. I suppose those would be fine for someone outside the US.
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